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Post by evilLegendary on Jun 21, 2004 4:57:47 GMT -5
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Post by TRow on Jun 21, 2004 6:46:49 GMT -5
Pretty impressive...I wonder if the mobo can be swapped into the current Gen 1 and Gen 2. Cooling Problems anyone? T.RoW
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Post by evilLegendary on Jun 21, 2004 8:55:24 GMT -5
They now have it on the US Dell site, as well as the Canadian Dell site.
Now you have your choice of XPS Gen 2, and Gen 3 on the Dimension systems choice page.
evil.
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Post by TRow on Jun 21, 2004 14:30:35 GMT -5
"Back-lit Badge: Light up the chassis with your choice of 7 different back light colors which are easily changed through the bios: Ruby, Emerald, Sapphire, Amber, Topaz, Amethyst and Diamond." -Dell' Site
Hmmm....I wonder where they got that Idea. Next thing they'll be shipping them with Acrylic window kits.
They seem to have addressed the cooling problem, but I SERIOUSLY Doubt that given the components. A system with specs like that should be water cooled, NO Exception.
T.RoW "I moved the Mountain, the Mountain didn't move me!"
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Post by TRow on Jun 21, 2004 14:32:01 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that Evil, forgot to mention that.
T.RoW
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Post by dano104 on Jun 21, 2004 14:48:55 GMT -5
I wonder how they changed the cooling system, looks the same, to me.... with the exception of the elongated cpu shroud.
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Post by TRow on Jun 21, 2004 17:36:06 GMT -5
I think its all a scam...Who would build a system that's supposed to last 5 years, they want a faster Return on New Purchases, and the cooling system is a good place to initiate a policy like that.
I wont be buying another PC again, Im custom building from here on out. So much more flexibility and choice in aftermarket upgrades, yet alone the ability to overclock,fan monitoring, and Bios manipulation.
T.RoW
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Post by dano104 on Jun 21, 2004 17:39:58 GMT -5
Yeah like i've said before, I had built my last 6-8 systems (can't even remember now) this was my first premanufactured rig. I'll stay with homebuilt after this one.
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Post by dan39 on Jun 21, 2004 18:34:40 GMT -5
the new mobo will probably fit, but you would need new ddr2 ram, and new cpu. so far it seems intels new chipsets and processors are underwhelming at best and no better then current 875/865 chipsets.
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Post by dano104 on Jun 21, 2004 18:39:40 GMT -5
Depressing, but not surprising, these losers have the potential to make something verrrry impressive, sadly they would rather milk something to the greatest extent.
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Post by dan39 on Jun 21, 2004 19:46:02 GMT -5
Depressing, but not surprising, these losers have the potential to make something verrrry impressive, sadly they would rather milk something to the greatest extent. i dont understand what you meant by this? the reason for the new cpu and ddr 2 ram is because it is a requirement of the new 925 chipset and mobo. its not by dells "take all your money" design. if you were referring to something else, sorry.
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Post by dano104 on Jun 21, 2004 19:48:37 GMT -5
I was referring to the slow steady stream of technological breakthroughs displayed by intel and amd. They make a design, then they milk it for all its worth. The whole time they are probably sitting on something 3 times as fast, just because they know they can still make money off of the current model.
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Post by dan39 on Jun 21, 2004 20:00:36 GMT -5
i see, hmm interesting but doubtful, someone would've uncovered this "ploy" not to mention intel and amd are such rivals they are constantly trying to outdo each other. kinda like the ussr and the usa in the race to space. interesting conspiracy theory though. i do have to say that amd's introduction of the fx and athlon 64 was a significant step up from their socket A's. also amd relies on 3rd parties like nvidia, sis, and via to make their chipsets so they have somewhat limited control in terms of that. i think intels biggest problem is that they just didnt see as large of speed increase from their manufacturer process, from .13micron to .90nm they probably expected a much faster chip, sort of like from the .18 micron to .13. what they got was the ill received prescott which runs so hot. (which is why intel is pushing btx, also a intel idea. btx is also unfavorable for amd platforms in its intereface.) one other thing to add, is that we live in the US (ok this is an assumption) but for the most part the US gets their tech much faster then everywhere else in the world. one of the most dominant chips elsewhere in the world are amd durons, which by our standards is old and slow but in other places suits their needs. what im getting at by this is that they dont neccesarily have to slowly introduce new tech to make sure they maximize current tech as it still has the rest of the world to capitalize on. all in all though its still an interesting possiblity.
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Post by dano104 on Jun 22, 2004 0:22:49 GMT -5
Come on dude, all of corporate america is in bed with each other. Open your eyes, I worked for the goverenment for 6.5 years, you wouldn't believe what i've seen.
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Post by dan39 on Jun 22, 2004 3:50:06 GMT -5
i just can't come up with response against someone who has worked with the "goverenment."
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Post by dano104 on Jun 22, 2004 10:55:57 GMT -5
dan39 - Can you loan me a nice pair of rose shaded glasses with which to view the world?
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Post by dan39 on Jun 22, 2004 13:17:52 GMT -5
whats up with the inane comments?
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Post by dano104 on Jun 22, 2004 13:31:44 GMT -5
i just can't come up with response against someone who has worked with the "goverenment." I suppose this wasn't an "inane" comment? P.S. Thanx fur da spel chek a-hole
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Post by dan39 on Jun 22, 2004 14:11:30 GMT -5
i read this and i must assume you are kidding? you're just messing with me for some laughs right? if not let me provide some helpful links. www.m-w.comwww.dictionary.comwww.amazon.com (you can buy a dictionary there) also lets read that sentence aloud to oneself "whats up with the inane comments?" for better reading comprehension lets go ahead and replace the word with "insane". i looked up the definition for "insane" 1 : mentally disordered : exhibiting insanity 2 : used by, typical of, or intended for insane persons <an insane asylum> so lets rephrase that sentence with the definition. "whats up with the 'mentally disordered' comments?" hmm, makes some sense. lets now look up the word "inane" 1 : EMPTY, INSUBSTANTIAL 2 : lacking significance, meaning, or point once again lets replace the word "inane" with its meaning. "whats up with with the 'lacking significance' comments?" in the situation that i was using the word which definition fits best? lets talk about corporate america, granted there is much corruption and frailties in the system, but reviewing the situation of intel and amd it seems unlikely that they are in collusion with one another (though i concede not impossible). they are publicly traded companies. they make money from selling stocks, people dont buy stock unless the company is solid and doing well, especially now more than ever since the dot com debacle people are much more hesitent in investing in stock from a tech company. that said ceo's, cfo's, etc arent making their money from dipping into their companies wealth but from their stock options. you can't exactly steal from the company, you will get caught (see kenneth lay, see also enron) independent companies do their taxes and they will want to know where the money is etc. though it is possible for both sides (see arthur andersen). another aspect specific to the tech world is that engineers have a lot of pride in what they do. they want to offer the fastest chips, etc. they don't want to sit on their creation, its more pride then anything else. what does this have to do with anything? well if in fact amd and intel were purposely releasing tech slowly, chances are there will be a "whistle-blower" (see sherron watkins) who will reveal such misdeeds. its a great risk but i think someone would do it. especially since the enron incident major companies are trying to do it right, at least to an extent. finally if intel and amd were in on it together, they would also want macintosh to be in on it. because if macs blew away pc's, everyone would buy them. in fact when the dual g5's were introduced they proclaimed they had the fastest processor in the world. intel or amd (i'm pretty sure amd) then sued mac for this claim and later won. each company cares about offering the fastest tech. that doesnt exactly sound like cooperation. finally which is it? i have my eyes closed or they're open but with rose colored glasses? i have them half open now with the shades on. but i digress you as am i are most likely posting this for some laughs, though a-hole is somewhat harsh. and please lets now make this personal, i dont recall "attacking you" but if you feel i did, im sorry. the only reason i say this is because i respect what t.row has done with this site. another avenue to talk and learn about your systems. i obviously wouldnt have checked out this site if not for his multiple postings on the dcf, he's working hard to spread the word on his passion, which i can respect.
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Post by dano104 on Jun 22, 2004 14:35:42 GMT -5
I believe the most recent flame was in reference to my misspelling of the word government. ( Which now I'm not at all surprised having come from you, I've read some of your DCF posts. ) How do you explain these tech companies one-upping each other regularly? (amd, intel, ati, nvidia etc....) It isn't just the tech realm either. Look at the petroleum industry. 40 Years ago we had the technology to make a family car that could get around 50 miles per gallon. This obviously didn't sit to well with the oil industry so they imposed their power or will upon auto manufactures. To this day a 50mpg car is still rare. So lets sum this up. -We can put a man on the moon, but can't have a 50mpg vehicle standard. -We can have satellites that can read the date off of a quarter from a 150 mile orbit, but we can't go 500 miles on 10 gallons of gas? I can pull out examples all day long........ How about this one, from the "government" itself..... www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0325-11.htmI mean come on......
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